Lodge 134: Dubious 2002 NOAC Patches Sold on eBay

Posted in SR-5 Lodges, Tsali 134 by John E. Pannell on August 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

It is becoming increasingly commonplace to see items of questionable authenticity offered for sale on eBay.   There are several sellers who regularly sell such items and one would be wise to be skeptical of any of their offerings.   One such seller recently sold what appeared to be the 2002 NOAC flaps from Tsali 134.

As issued by the lodge, the two flaps for the 2002 NOAC (Blue Book S42 and S43) are difficult modern issues from this lodge.   It is reported that only 40 of the S42 were issued, and 60 of the S43.   They have readily sold for between $150 and $200 each in the past.   Many of us were skeptical at the recent offering of these rare pieces by a seller from British Columbia.  We know he has sold what I call “close fakes” of North Carolina OA flaps, notably the Tsoiotsi Tsogalii 70 ZS1, in the past.   Upon examination of his auctions, I feel confident in calling these latest offerings fakes.

I take a hard stand when it comes to labelling items as fakes.   It is my opinion — and that has no bearing on how Blue Book lists items — that if an item coming from a dubious source is not describably different than one from a known official source (eg. the lodge), such that one can tell which one has without the need for either a reference collection or any information other than what can be put in a simple objective description, then either both pieces are authentic or both are fake.   That might seem a bit harsh to some, but give it some objective thought.  

A true overrun is just as much an authentic example of the patch designed and ordered by a lodge (or council, or district, or…) than one sold out of the lodge box.  It was produced by the same company at the same time as the patches officially issued.  Fakes must be differentiable from the authentic items in some concrete and explainable way.  Patches do not gain an air of authenticity based solely upon a prior owner.

With that in mind, I have examined the images of the two Tsali flaps recently offered — pictured in this post — and compared them examples known to have been issued by the lodge.   I noticed several subtle differences.   The fakes are close enough to readily fool collectors, but not so close that at least some of the differences can be succinctly described.

There are various difference in the coloring of design elements, but most are hard to describe.   One difference stands out: the color shades used on the right side of the flap in the “sunburst” background.  On the example known to come from the lodge the colors used are what I’ll call orange (ORG), dark orange (DOR) and red (RED).   The purported fakes use noticeably lighter colors that I’ll call yellow-orange (YOR), light orange (LOR) and red orange (ROR).  

I know shades of orange can be more than a little subjective, so the key is to look at the darkest (red) color.   It appears to be a true red on the real patches (think fire engine!), but not so on the patches I believe to be fakes.

I propose the following Blue Book listings for these pieces:

Issue Bdr Color/Type Bkgd Name fdl/BSA Comments
ZS1? BLK R M/C YEL BLK fdl; NOAC02, fake of S42, YOR, LOR, ROR in sunburst on right side, generally lighter than S42
ZS2? BLU R M/C YEL BLK fdl; NOAC02, fake of S43, YOR, LOR, ROR in sunburst on right side, generally lighter than S43
Tsali 134 page on OAImages.com

Ideally, I’d like to see a copy of one of the fakes, or at least a higher quality scan of it if possible.   Can anyone help?  What do you all think?  I imagine there might be some Tsali or “Dixie” collectors reading this who might be able to comment on this.

"It is the nature of desire not to be satisfied, and most men live only for the gratification of it."
Aristotle


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4 Responses to “Lodge 134: Dubious 2002 NOAC Patches Sold on eBay”

  1. Greg Grimes Says:

    John,

    I never buy anything from this particular person/company as they also sell the fakes of the 104 S-29, 30, & 31 (ZS-1, ZS-2, ZS-3). If everyone recalls these…they are the ones with a white, more pointed FDL.

    Recently, they have put up for auction the same OBV flaps that look very similar to the S-29 - S-31 but the flaps do not have the white FDL. I’d like to have a set to compare with “real issues” but do not want to patronize a seller known to sell fakes.

    Has anyone purchased any of thse 104 flaps recently from this vendor??? I’d like to lay an eyeball on them to see if he has once again faked that particular issue. I don’t understand why he would fake this particular issue as we’ve issued literally thousands of this particular OBV series.

    Since we changed manufacturers we have not had these problems. That says alot for chosing a manufacturer that does not farm out to the over-seas markets.

  2. New York OA Trader » Blog Archive » Quick Links - Patch Collecting Blogs Says:

    [...] What review of blogs would be complete without mentioning John Pannell and his OAImages Blog. With his new contributors, there has been a flurry of posting of late. The hot topic though is Fakes, Fakes, and more Fakes. [...]

  3. OAImages Blog » Blog Archive » Lodge 134: Fake of S42, Picture Says:

    [...] As I had reported previously there are some differences to watch out for with this item.  I had described differences in the shades of the red, yellows and oranges used.   That’s hard to describe and visualize.  The images here also show another difference that might be easier for folks to notice.   The black border on the fake is significantly thicker and looser than on the real.   This fake pictured also has a pointed bottom with the border overlap at the point, although I do not know if that will be consistent with all the fakes. [...]

  4. New York OA Trader | Quick Links - Patch Collecting Blogs Says:

    [...] What review of blogs would be complete without mentioning John Pannell and his OAImages Blog. With his new contributors, there has been a flurry of posting of late. The hot topic though is Fakes, Fakes, and more Fakes. [...]

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